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Airdate: 08 Jan 2017 in the U.S.



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Date: 2017-01-10 04:00 pm (UTC)
madripoor_rose: milkweed beetle on a leaf (Default)
From: [personal profile] madripoor_rose
Okay....so Jake looking at his fist before saying he hates vampires was a deliberate Angel reference, right?*

*Chris Kane played a character whose hand was cut off by a vampire.

Date: 2017-01-11 02:33 am (UTC)
mecca: (Flynn & Eve | S1 Date)
From: [personal profile] mecca
I've never watched Angel, but I did see CK tweet about it. Apparently it was his and Noah's idea to add it as an Easter Egg which is pretty neat!

Date: 2017-01-11 02:35 am (UTC)
madripoor_rose: milkweed beetle on a leaf (Default)
From: [personal profile] madripoor_rose
Cool!

Date: 2017-01-12 05:16 pm (UTC)
meridian_rose: pen on letter background  with text  saying 'writer' (Default)
From: [personal profile] meridian_rose
Absolutely :) A review I read also mentioned Cassandra talking about the stakes as pointy things, which I missed, as a reference to Buffy and her favourite stake "Mr Pointy".

Date: 2017-01-11 02:31 am (UTC)
mecca: (Flynn & Eve | S3 Surprise Date)
From: [personal profile] mecca
The best thing about the episode was that Estrella lived until the end, and that they got to kiss. Maybe not an actual girlfriend, but at least an on-screen kiss and neither of them died.

I was watching it all unfold and thinking to myself "she totally wants to kiss her, but nah it's never going to happen" and then boom! it happened. That kiss made much more sense than Cassandra's feelings for Jenkins.

I hate all the negativity that has crept up in this fandom these past few days though. The sense of entitlement that some people have over who they think Cassandra should be paired with is ridiculous. I'm sitting here, having no horse in this race, just shaking my head. :/

Also: gotta give Flynn points for at least trying to tell Eve, in his roundabout way.

Not enough Eve and Flynn in this episode. :( His surprise was sweet though.

Date: 2017-01-12 05:19 pm (UTC)
meridian_rose: pen on letter background  with text  saying 'writer' (Default)
From: [personal profile] meridian_rose
I'm clearly not deeply in this fandom since I haven't seen anything except the FB debacle about "teh gaz r corruping my childrenz" I mention in my comment below. I think I saw on comment on FB that wanted Ezekiel/Cass but no sense of entitlement about it.

I'm thrilled by Estrella - I've only ever seen Cass presented as interested in women. That doesn't mean she's not bi/pan, that doesn't stop anyone including me writing any shippy fic with any pairing/moresome, but if canon hadn't finally followed through on her attraction to women I would have been very annoyed.

Oh, and I forget in my comment that this was another Wyle directed episode and again he did great :)

Date: 2017-01-13 03:21 pm (UTC)
mecca: (Flynn & Eve | S2 Confession)
From: [personal profile] mecca
I'm clearly not deeply in this fandom since I haven't seen anything except the FB debacle about "teh gaz r corruping my childrenz" I mention in my comment below. I think I saw on comment on FB that wanted Ezekiel/Cass but no sense of entitlement about it.

I saw that on FB too. It's to be expected, unfortunately, that those kinds of opinions would be coming out of the woodwork now. The good thing is they can be easily ignored because, from what I've seen, most people have been pretty positive.

The entitlement I've encountered is on tumblr. Some have acted like they "deserve" their pairing more than other pairings and are being dismissive towards the fact that each pairing that differs from their OTP is just as valid. Although, it does seem that everyone has calmed down a bit over there now.

I'm thrilled by Estrella - I've only ever seen Cass presented as interested in women. That doesn't mean she's not bi/pan, that doesn't stop anyone including me writing any shippy fic with any pairing/moresome, but if canon hadn't finally followed through on her attraction to women I would have been very annoyed.

It's nice to see representation on TV and for the show to acknowledge it. I think they picked the right moment because I was seeing people starting to get frustrated and I don't think they could have "pushed the envelope" for much longer with the ambiguity.

Oh, and I forget in my comment that this was another Wyle directed episode and again he did great :)

Indeed, he did. :D

I have a lot of feelings!

Date: 2017-01-12 05:14 pm (UTC)
meridian_rose: pen on letter background  with text  saying 'writer' (Default)
From: [personal profile] meridian_rose
I thought Cassandra's tumour was inoperable and that was the reason she still had it when we met her in the pilot. The Librarian thing came after she'd accepted it was a death sentence. And what happened to her choosing her own destiny (suicide) when the time came, what came of the Lady of the Lake stuff I was hoping would be revisited?

Not going to lie the medical side was all over the damn place. Two seconds later Cassandra's waltzing around with, presumably, a braid covering her scar, having had half her brain matter removed. And it's a miracle: her powers are stronger now! It would have made for a more dramatic less-science-worshipping stance to have her lose all her uniqueness and go on a quest to get it back, angry that her friends pushed her into having a surgery she'd been refusing for years.
Because I'm still not convinced she fully consented, and I'm starting to think the writers have lost their show bible from season one and are now making up sh*t as they go along.
A magical cure would have far preferable and that sums up my rant about this aspect of the show. This is a show about magic, not science. It's the Librarians, not Grey's Anatomy.

Flynn is making a bit of a fool of himself (and using a ton of magic) trying to woo Eve, leaving the LiTs in danger and nearly having Eve miss out on ever seeing Cassandra again. Preparing for death was a theme of the episode, along with the secret keeping thereof.

I loved Jake's "Angel" nod when he said he hated vampires :) He and Ezekiel were working well together but once again it was Jenkins to the rescue. Seriously, if Jenkins gets brainwashed into working for DOSA, the Librarians are screwed.

I loved Estrella and I loved her interactions with Cassandra. And we FINALLY get to see Cassandra kiss a woman. Cassandra has only ever shown interest in female guest characters and even though this episode had her throw herself at Jenkins pretty much out of the blue as far as I can see*, the episode ended with her kissing the beautiful vampire.

YES. Of all the things I liked about this episode and all the things I didn't, this was a big tick in the like column.

And yet on Facebook I couldn't face going through all the comments but there were at least three in those I did look at for this episode that hated it.
Their complaints?

* It's no longer a "family show" - as if gay romance is adult. (It never ever occurs to these people that their own child(ren) might be gay/bi and this could be a way for them to learn they are not "wrong"; I worry that these sort of parents would try to beat the gay out of their kids or disown them)

* It's okay for m/f characters to kiss but not for f/f characters and when someone called the poster out on this the OP snapped back "You know why" with something about being ignorant/obtuse? Because "Teh Gayz" kissing is different somehow!

* It's no longer "wholesome" and when it was pointed out that this show that has things like killer clowns and vampires the OP got huffy about not liking gay romance and refusing to watch if it was included. "wholesome"=shit I like, "gross"=shit I don't like. Ugh.

Why is this still an issue? WHY?

On the other hand asexual representation is like hen's teeth and would go down like a lead balloon too. Sometimes people just suck.

Sexual orientation is not a choice, sexual orientations are all equal, seeing representation of various orientations is not going to "turn" your child into a different orientation (but might save them from shame and years of repressed feeling).
(I crossposted my rant about this to Tumblr.)
* I have no problems with age gap relationships but I prefer some build up before a canon relationship is brought to the fore. Also we have no canon non-het characters yet and if Cass is going to be bi/pan rather than lesbian I wanted her to acknowledge her attraction to more than one gender before throwing her into a het relationship. I'd prefer her to be lesbian just so there's no ambiguity (she was just experimenting, etc) but for now I'm thrilled by the Estrella kiss.

Re: I have a lot of feelings!

Date: 2017-01-13 03:33 pm (UTC)
mecca: (Flynn & Eve | S2 Storm)
From: [personal profile] mecca
I agree with you about Cassandra's tumor. All that buildup for a two second cure. I guess you can chalk it up to a miracle in the operating room? It does happen in reality where you go into surgery thinking you aren't going to make it out alive and all the stars end up lining up and you're fine. I'm really reaching because, like you said, it didn't make any sense. lol

Re: I have a lot of feelings!

Date: 2017-01-13 06:27 pm (UTC)
meridian_rose: pen on letter background  with text  saying 'writer' (Default)
From: [personal profile] meridian_rose
Such a let-down. If the surgery was likely to succeed why did she leave it ruining her life with the threat of impending death for years, letting it grow until the last moment? I've been hunting for references in season one to exactly what we know about the tumor and one review mentions alt!Cassandra from the Loom of Fate used magic to heal herself when her tumor grew. Now *that* I would have accepted, especially with the fallout from Jake in particular about her using magic on purpose. Far more in keeping with the show and more dramatic!

Date: 2017-01-15 03:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] erinptah
Every time a character bursts into flames, I'm surprised they don't stop, drop, and roll. Even if it's not going to help against magic, why don't people on TV have that reflex?

Whyyyyy are Cassandra's outfits so aggressively ugly. Especially since she has perfectly nice hair and makeup.

I like Estrella saying "I'm the gardener" in exactly the same tone as the team usually says "We're librarians."

Wait, was "Flynn used to be in love with a vampire" in one of the movies?

Cassandra suddenly hitting on Jenkins is even more random. For a second I thought she was making an oblique reference to "I could date the hot vampire gardener even though she's immortal" -- it would've made so much more sense if that was her aim the whole time, and poor Jenkins was getting all flustered and confused because he thought she was obliquely hitting on him. But no, they made it explicit.

Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted that Cass and Estrella kissed at the end. They had flirting, and bonding, and chemistry, and it got followed through on! Finally!

But it makes the out-of-nowhere Cass/Jenkins stuff even more unnecessary. It's like they wrote it to give themselves plausible deniability so the Cass/Estrella subtext could get past the censors, then forgot to write it out after learning they could make Cass/Estrella text.

Some really random innovations in vampire lore. Moissanite from a meteor...saturates the local water...and bonds to your skin? Guys, if your technobabble is gonna make this little sense, you really should replace it with magicbabble.

I did love the vampire fight scenes. Jenkins being awesome with a sword, and Estrella going all-out on her own brother to protect Cassandra. Cool choreography, fun sparkly magic effects.

Agree with other people that the tumor resolution felt out-of-place. And after we spent a whole episode saving a magical healing resort, why not have Cass do her rehab there? Would've made so much thematic sense. They could've offered her a freebie out of gratitude, she'd get a reasonable recovery period, and it would give her an excuse to spend weeks making out hanging out with Estrella.

Date: 2017-01-15 11:01 am (UTC)
tinny: a stone henge back lighted in green with the words "maths" and "magic" (librarians_henge maths-magic)
From: [personal profile] tinny
I wrote a review post of this episode here:

http://tinnny.livejournal.com/316459.html

I'm linking to the LJ side, because we had a pretty fun discussion there in the comments about possible reasons behind Cass/Jenkins.
Edited Date: 2017-01-15 11:01 am (UTC)

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