Episode Discussion - 3x01 - And the Rise of Chaos

[fangirlishness]

Airdate: 20 Nov 2016 in the U.S.



OMG did you love the premiere as much as I did? Squee with me in the comments!


(If you're reading this post months later and feel like jumping in, please do.)

Comments

[fangirlishness]

My favorite thing about the episode was, unsurprisingly, everything about Eve and Flynn. Their squabbling, their kisses, Flynn being a dork, Eve being a great guardian.

But I also liked everyone else. The singing (omg!), Jenkins, the way they all worked together so well, Flynn with Cassandra, and the chaos fights.

[mecca]

I loved the Flynn and Eve moments as well. For some reason, Eve threatening Flynn with physical harm just makes me love these two even more. lol

It's always nice when the show makes a point to show that Eve, while not being on the same level of intelligence as the Librarians, still is very valuable to the group. I really like how that was showcased when Eve helped to save Ezekiel and Jake from the sub by using her military knowledge.

Although Cassandra has always been my least favorite character, I did feel for her when she kept getting interrupted whenever she tried to chime in with an idea.

I read some spoilers/saw a video for the season that is making me a bit nervous. I'm debating if I want to watch every week or just binge watch the entire season when it's over so I can just rip the band aid off all at once.

[fangirlishness]

For some reason, Eve threatening Flynn with physical harm just makes me love these two even more. lol

What really does me in is that they don't have to be extra-careful around each other. She wouldn't say that if she was insecure in their relationship.

I really like how that was showcased when Eve helped to save Ezekiel and Jake from the sub by using her military knowledge.

Yes!

Although Cassandra has always been my least favorite character, I did feel for her when she kept getting interrupted whenever she tried to chime in with an idea.

I'm not a particular fan of Cassandra, either, and I thought the squeeing was a little over the top. But if a character has to be over the top, I'm just glad it's not Flynn this year. ;)

I was spoiled for her getting constantly interrupted through tumblr, so I can't say I even would have noticed if I hadn't been paying attention. As it was, I was mollified by Flynn praising Cassandra for her maths knowledge.

I read some spoilers/saw a video for the season that is making me a bit nervous.

I'm keeping well away from those. I have seen Dean Devlin teasing people with something everyone said would never happen on the Librarians, so I backed out of that before reading too much. I really really don't want to know. I still have hope they didn't change their minds about the show being all about the family fun and are just doing this to... I don't even know what for.

[mecca]

What really does me in is that they don't have to be extra-careful around each other. She wouldn't say that if she was insecure in their relationship.

Exactly! Also, the fact that he didn't take any offence to it says a lot as well.

I'm not a particular fan of Cassandra, either, and I thought the squeeing was a little over the top. But if a character has to be over the top, I'm just glad it's not Flynn this year. ;)

Me too. I noticed that Flynn's role in the group was a lot more balanced than it was in season 2 which I'm grateful for. Everyone contributed to the solution to the problem and I never felt watching it that Flynn was overshadowing anyone.

I'm keeping well away from those. I have seen Dean Devlin teasing people with something everyone said would never happen on the Librarians, so I backed out of that before reading too much. I really really don't want to know. I still have hope they didn't change their minds about the show being all about the family fun and are just doing this to... I don't even know what for.

I have no will power when it comes to spoilers unfortunately. :( I'm usually not a fan of a show "raising the stakes" for ratings. That kind of writing always ends up ruining the show for me so I hope as well that this show continues to be lighthearted.

[madripoor_rose]

Jake and Ezekiel running like little boys to go see the museum sub, so adorkable.

[mecca]

That was cute. lol It's funny how the show keeps making a point about how young Ezekiel is, but the way Jake was squeeing over that sub, his maturity level isn't that much higher.

[dhampyresa]

This was really enjoyable! It was really worried they would make Seth the bad guy (Seth Did Nothing Wrong, fight me) but it was Apep, so all is good. Should have trusted the show more.

Still loving Cassandra and aaaaah the Antikythera mechanism!!! And the submarine!

[fangirlishness]

I like the idea of Apep being the big bad, too. Haha, it's so funny that we're discussing the Egyptology aspect of the season arc. :D

[dhampyresa]

I'm looking forward to possible sun-swallowing shenanigans!

[meridian_rose]

Posted to tinny's journal review but cross-posting here :)
I finally got to this episode. I feel I have things to say about the hair/clothing but I'll stick to one thing for the moment, mentioned below.

Overall yes it was fun, dropped us in at an action packed moment and didn't let up.
Cassandra is getting more powerful; I love her and I want to see her grow and develop but I don't want her to become a Mary-Sue/Superman type.

A sub has been left with active missiles lying about on it?! I always say dragons I can believe in but real life things are harder to overlook.

Flynn's outfit is rather David Tennant's Dr Who, and I thought I heard a touch of Murray Gold inspired music during the action scenes in the cave near the end.

Singing to show harmony in two senses of the word was fine but what a bizarre and overtly religious choice.

The MIB DOSA storyline. I've wondered about this for a while. Stargate was part of the military and the Doctor was friendly with UNIT, and I'd have liked to see something of this kind already in place. An understanding that weird stuff happens and the Librarians are the best people to take care of it, not federal agents who don't know one end of a wand from the other. I suppose that will be end-game, possibly with an agent joining the team? Especially if we are losing a character.

Not a bad start to the new season :)

[erinptah]

The song choice was weird, yeah. I assume the writers wanted something the characters would all plausibly know, but that was in the public domain -- and had a little more pep than Amazing Grace, which is what you usually hear in that situation.

Would've been nice if someone had said "hey, anybody in the music business who likes our show, and would give us a deal on leasing a song?" Imagine the librarians all striding in on the chorus of a big Disney showstopper....

[meridian_rose]

big Disney showstopper? That would have been AMAZING :D

[fangirlishness]

I assume the writers wanted something the characters would all plausibly know, but that was in the public domain -- and had a little more pep than Amazing Grace, which is what you usually hear in that situation.

I'm sure that was what they were thinking. It's just not all that logical that Ezekiel would know the battle hymn of the republic, so it bugged me a bit.

Don't patents run out after a certain time? I have no idea how it works with songs, though.

[erinptah]

Copyright in the US is "author's life plus 70 years" if there's a single known author, and, if it's anonymous or created by a corporation, "95 years from first publication or 120 years from creation, whichever is shorter."

Because of changes in the law, everything published before 1923 is definitely in the public domain, and after that there's a ton of variation depending on what laws apply to the time when a thing was was created, published, and registered. Nothing Beyonce did is going to be easily available any time soon, is the upshot.

[erinptah]

Loved it. All the funny moments were great. ("Another interesting fact about druids: they're trying to kill us!")

Ezekiel using the magic artifacts for mundane functions is a thing I wish got explored in fiction more often, and he's absolutely the character to go for it. Surely there's a middle ground between "dangerous uncontrolled use of random artifacts" and "locking everything away and never touching it ever."

And the moral of the story is: teamwork! I, uh, just watched a Pretty Cure episode with the same moral. Although the bad guys there were all "haha, I work alone, friendship and teamwork is for the weak!" instead of the more sensible "friendship and teamwork make people a lot more effective, so I better sow as much strife among my enemies as possible."

Not sure how to feel about the MiBs. They're presented as antagonists, but they're basically another version of the Librarians -- same goals, same secrecy, similar moral standing. Maybe, in clashing with them, the Library will realize "hey, shadowy isolationist policies aren't a good idea when they do it, so why is this a good idea when we do it?"

[meridian_rose]

Surely there's a middle ground between "dangerous uncontrolled use of random artifacts" and "locking everything away and never touching it ever." I like to think so but the show is a bit stern about Magic Is Bad, H'mkay.

The teamwork in this episode was great but I had concerns about that in the next episode. Maybe it was the writing but there seemed to be too many characters doing the same things for everyone to be used effectively. I like it when, as we saw in this episode's opening sequence, everyone has a unique quality and part to play :)

[fangirlishness]

Surely there's a middle ground between "dangerous uncontrolled use of random artifacts" and "locking everything away and never touching it ever."

Yes, and I especially don't like the double standard they've got going on there. Jenkins is using magic (or has done so in season2), and Ezekiel is doing it without any qualms at all, but as soon as Cassandra mentions using magic, everyone is on her case about it.

they're basically another version of the Librarians -- same goals, same secrecy, similar moral standing

And Flynn even says so. I didn't think they'd go that route, though, although it would make sense. They did promise already in season one that the Librarians are working on a bit of a misconception, that all magic must be protected and nobody must know about it. But so far, they haven't been proven wrong yet. I wonder if the writers forgot about that point, or if DOSA is now finally the thing that will make them confront their own stance.